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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #90 on: December 19, 2002, 03:06:51 PM »
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Susan, I agree with you wholeheartedly!  I even PM'd him and told him that I loved your little island, and never, ever would want it to be a little "America."  I hope he stays too.  BTW, I loved your touching story about your daughter moving to Hawaii.  You give me hope.

You know, when my g/f was 18 years old, her widowed father met a woman he fell in love with.  Susan, my friend's name as well as yours, resented the woman and her father said to her....."Susan, one day, you will leave me and make a life for yourself.  I won't be alone, I won't sacrifice my happiness, just for you when you will go off and live the way you are supposed to.  She won't leave me, and we are in love.  You need to accept this, or go now."  She was stunned, but never forgot how much her Dad's words made sense now.  If only I could apply them now....

I feel such guilt!  Thank you for your words of wisdom; they help me more than you can even imagine.

Marie
you are so welcome! I never had to do what you have had to do though. very hard!!
further to my story. My current husband is my 2nd husband and we have been married 13 years. My first husband and father to my childfen died of a horrible long illness when he was only 43 and our children were 9 and 12. Now my kids were fine and always got on and accepted Trevor and I think they were just the right age. But trevor's children who were 17, 21, 38 and 40, gave him a hard time about me - actually not the younger ones but the older ones! I have to say they were always very polite and very kind to me. After a few years, everything was fine again. And they tell me now how much they love and how glad they are that I came into their lives. A very interesting epilogue:Trevor's eldest granddauhter, Louise, was 10 and my son, Jim, 12, when Trevor and I got together so they spent a lot of time together over the years. Last February Louise and Jim got together and became girlfriend/boyfriend. We were all thrilled! as they are both such lovely people and they make a perfect couple. Louise has a little boy, Harry, who is 5 (she was 18 when she had Harry so that's another story!). Anyway, Jim and Harry just adore one another too and get along really well. Harry's biological father has never acknowledged him and isn't likely to want to, so there is no problem there. Back in November Jim asked Louise to marry him and she said yes!!
You can imagine the jokes going around about what all our relationships are. Louise is Trevor's granddaughter as well as daughter -in-law (well, will be) , my step-granddaughter and daughter in law. Jim is Trevor's stepson and also son-in-law.
Life is very very curious and no one knows what ever might be around the corner.....
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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #91 on: December 19, 2002, 07:45:08 PM »
Susan, Marie  ---  thank you for your replies, much appreciated.

Marie, you make perfect sence in your pm and I'm only to happy to listen. One reason I joined this site, was that I like to know what visitors think of our country, warts and all.  ;D
I am quite happy to give advice when asked

Susan, Cornwall is a part of the country I've often visited but I'm sure you must know it a lot better than I do. Also many people will of benefitted from your being here and what you've brought to the country.

London has much to offer resident and visitor. Though having lived there for a good many years, I probably take much of it for granted. When I'm away, sooner or later I begin to miss it.

In the mid 70s I spent 3 months in Israel, an experience I wouldn't of missed. But I couldn't live there and was quite happy to come home.

I was weaned on many Hollywood adventures and the USA  as a result has a great attraction. I was overjoyed when I drove through Death Valley and realised it was for real. Just as real as Las Vegas is in all it's bright lights and it's extravaganza.  Contrasts to be savoured.     ;D    8)
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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #92 on: December 20, 2002, 01:02:29 AM »
Hello, Everyone. Thank you again for the kind words.  I plan on taking my children, individually, out for dinner, so we can just talk.  I know I'll have their undivided attention in a restaurant; it's better than at home, because they're always running out, somewhere.  I also want to write them each a letter.  

I want to tell them I'll always be their Mother, and just because I am moving away, does not mean I am abandoning them.  I want them to know that change does not necessarily mean "bad."  I know this is very hard on them, but it's very hard on me too.  I wish it was easier....I am not the type of person who doesn't care, or who relishes in hurting people.  I can't stand doing that, and since I have lived my life for my family, it makes it all the more difficult.

Maybe this is something I have to endure; it's all part of the process.  I know that I am not acting hastily; I have given my move to England very serious thought.  I am not one to act spontaneously, I am way too practical to do that.  I never believed in casting my fate to the wind, because I was always responsible in everything I did.  

If any of you have any other suggestions, that would be wonderful, but do you think the "dinner dates" and the letters sound like a good start?  Thank you all....I wish I could feel better, but I do anguish over this.  


Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #93 on: December 20, 2002, 09:21:17 AM »
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One reason I joined this site, was that I like to know what visitors think of our country, warts and all.  ;D
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John, I don't want to nitpick here, but I've never considered myself a visitor here.  I live here.  It's my home and my children's home.  I no longer see things as an outsider and I think there are alot of people on this site who would agree with me.  Although they would probably phrase it better :)


Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #94 on: December 20, 2002, 02:23:09 PM »
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John, I don't want to nitpick here, but I've never considered myself a visitor here.  I live here.  It's my home and my children's home.  I no longer see things as an outsider and I think there are alot of people on this site who would agree with me.  Although they would probably phrase it better :)

You can't say anything right can you, John?  ;)
But Mindy's right. I'm not a visitor either. I don't know how old you are, but my guess I have been quite a bit longer than you!!   ;D


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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #95 on: December 20, 2002, 02:53:53 PM »
Hi Mindy  ----  That's a valid point you make.  Visitors was perhaps too much of a generalisation. People who make a commitment to a person/country and are residents with a fixed home, are part and parcel of the whole.
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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #96 on: December 20, 2002, 03:21:23 PM »
Immigrant is probably the best word to use, cause that's what we are.  ;)


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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #97 on: December 20, 2002, 04:05:42 PM »
John,

 I have been following your words and very much appreciate them...it is good to have you here...

 My first step into England was for a weeks holiday back in Jan of 1998...  from the moment I arrived I knew it was someplace that I should be...  a feeling of home some might say...  little did I know that within 5 years, it really would become my home after meeting my prince charming.

 I have no misconceptions that England is a culture all in its own...and that is part of England's beauty that I love... I would never wish for England to be like America and I look forward to the changes in my life that living in England will bring.

 London is a bright big city and a treat to visit...  but as most cities in my own feeling, all are just for visiting with me...  I am a country girl through and through...  but also one that loves the bright lights and shows that a city has to offer when visited.

 So yes...I am to be considered a visitor for all cities and completely at home when I get moved to Northumberland.

shel
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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #98 on: December 20, 2002, 04:05:45 PM »
Visitors, immigrants, natives, whatever.  We all have valid, legit reasons for living here, we pay our dues and we are street legal. Thus we all contribute to the betterment of the country. Long may it last. How's that Susan ?  
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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #99 on: December 20, 2002, 04:08:33 PM »
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Immigrant is probably the best word to use, cause that's what we are.  ;)

Well, now..... we could take this even further... every single American in America is an immigrant or of immigrant background.
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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #100 on: December 20, 2002, 06:49:03 PM »
Susan - I think immigration is still a growth industry, both in the USA and the UK. The impoverished travelers from the East are often tainted by criminals. The immigrants though remain determined to succeed in their quest to enter the UK.
America is still probably the world's largest "human melting pot"
particularly with large numbers of Mexicans trying to cross the border. Many years ago I crossed from Tijuana, Mexico into the USA, flashed my UK passport and the immigration office simply waved us through. Meanwhile long lines of Mexicans waited patiently to enter the promised land
How does that situation compare with the large number of ever hopefull people trying to cross the Channel from France to get into Britain.
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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #101 on: December 20, 2002, 10:28:29 PM »
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Susan - I think immigration is still a growth industry, both in the USA and the UK. The impoverished travelers from the East are often tainted by criminals. The immigrants though remain determined to succeed in their quest to enter the UK.
America is still probably the world's largest "human melting pot"
particularly with large numbers of Mexicans trying to cross the border. Many years ago I crossed from Tijuana, Mexico into the USA, flashed my UK passport and the immigration office simply waved us through. Meanwhile long lines of Mexicans waited patiently to enter the promised land
How does that situation compare with the large number of ever hopefull people trying to cross the Channel from France to get into Britain.

Nice one!!
Well, immigrants to America and to Britain have always mainly been persecuted people (for religion or colour, or politics). That hasn't changed. Those people trying to get over the English Channel or fleeing oppressive regimes.
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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #102 on: January 02, 2003, 05:57:07 PM »
One of the problems we can have when first arriving in a new country is identifying with our new home. This is the same for someone going to a new town as it is for someone moving to a new country.

If you are taking up residence in the UK I would suggest that once you've settled in you try and locate voluntary organisations, local schools and social events in your area and join in. I'm afraid just going to work or the local pub doesn't help much. This is as true for someone coming over alone as it is for families.

The hardest thing about settling in is assimilating, and you can't do this from your home. The pub is fine as a meeting place for existing friends, but like bars in the States it doesn't always offer the best environment to make quality friendships. You have to get out and meet the people, and going to evening classes, joining  a voluntary organisation or going to regular community events will help. The British aren't that different from us, they like to see that people arriving here from another country are making an effort to become assimilated with their society. In the main you will find new friends and interests if you do this. And if you're shy, you will find this is definitely the right move to make. The British love the quiet ones.

I know this sounds like old hat type advice, but it is sound advice. If you think there is nothing in your area for you to join in, then start something, but don't be pushy, most people here already have a life and it's you that has to fit in, not them.

The British are not very good at making approaches, in fact in the 35 years I've been here the only time I've been approached and offered a welcome is when I've made the effort to become involved.

Don't be afraid to introduce yourself to your neighbours. I make point of doing that whenever I move to new place, that gives me the chance to see what my neighbours will be like and if they are a community or not. If they're not a community I don't buy or rent in the area.

Do your best to avoid making comparisons, even in a light hearted sense, at least until you get to know the people well and that will take time. Unlike the States, where we make friends quickly, the British prefer a slower route. Making comparisons here sound more like complaints to the British ear unless it's them making the complaint, just the same as we do when someone visiting our town tells us what is and isn't available and is avilable in their own country. The Brit's hate whiners, and if your light hearted comments about their country are misinterpreted you may find your self ostracized very quickly.

In the time I've been here I've been involved in a number of charities and local events, and while I have to admit the hardest thing is making that first contact, picking up the phone and calling a stranger to ask about their organisation and if I can be of any help, the effort has never failed to create new and lasting friendships.

If you are hoping that something will turn up if you are here long enough, then don't hold your breath, rarely will that happen here, you have to do the work if you want to enjoy your time here. If you really want to meet the British and see the country don't be afraid to get out there and do some work, you'll find they are very accommodating and will take to you much faster if you are seen to be making and effort.

Well that's my advice for what's it's worth, sorry if it sounded a bit like a do/don't list:)

Oh, and one last thing, this is probaly for my benefit more than the British:) try and avoid being loud, and avoid using terms like "isn't that cute/sweet/quaint", no one likes to be pratonised and nothing will make me run faster from my fellow countrymen when they make it apparent they have just come from the States and feel the need to let everyone within earshot know it, it embarrasses me and the people listening to it. The Brit's generally hate "cute", both in word and deed which may explain their lack of family friendlyness.

Okay, I'm ready for the verbal beating, or should I just get my coat and leave queitly  :)  


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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #103 on: January 03, 2003, 12:44:34 AM »
Loftus,  as a life long brit, may I say that you've wrapped up life here neatly in a nutshell,  with all the appropriate bells and whistles.
I think people coming to the UK have to be openminded, just as Brits going to the USA have to be.  There are similarities between the 2 cultures, there are also wide differences.
It becomes a case of the 2 cultures sometimes agreeing to disagree or else meet halfway. Perhaps a case of take us as you find us. WYSIWYG.
For all the quirky habits and the strange things we Brits carry around, we have very few millstones round our necks. We are quite happy to see people from other lands and if we seem a bit too serious at times, we can also laugh at ourselves.
So come on, join in, have some fun with us.  Afterall, faint heart never won fair maiden.
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Re: How do you adapt and adjust?
« Reply #104 on: January 03, 2003, 09:22:08 AM »
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Don't be afraid to introduce yourself to your neighbours. I make point of doing that whenever I move to new place, that gives me the chance to see what my neighbours will be like and if they are a community or not. If they're not a community I don't buy or rent in the area.



 


You introduce yourself to the neighbours BEFORE you buy the house?   ???


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