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Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« on: December 12, 2017, 11:27:51 AM »
Dear All,

My wife's visa was refused last week and today I received all the supporting documents back EXCEPT:
- Apppendix 2
- Colour printed relationship photos (around 100)

Is this normal? Why would HO keep others personal photos? or might this be my unqualified lawyer's mistake???

Thank you !


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2017, 12:08:19 PM »
Dear All,

My wife's visa was refused last week and today I received all the supporting documents back EXCEPT:
- Apppendix 2
- Colour printed relationship photos (around 100)

Is this normal? Why would HO keep others personal photos? or might this be my unqualified lawyer's mistake???

Thank you !

They always keep the application forms, so you should not have received Appendix 2 back anyway, and they usually also keep any letters addressed to them as well.

I've never heard of them keeping photos before though... that seems a bit odd.


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2017, 12:51:06 PM »
Thanks so much.

We are now reapplyign and stuck at onlien application question:
q: Have you made an application to the Home Office to remain in the UK in the last 10 years?
q: Have you been refused a visa for any country including the UK in the last 10 years?

should we say yes as we applied for spouse visa last month? or no again?

your help is always greatlly appreciated!

thank you!
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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2017, 01:04:54 PM »
Thanks so much.

We are now reapplyign and stuck at onlien application question:
q: Have you made an application to the Home Office to remain in the UK in the last 10 years?
q: Have you been refused a visa for any country including the UK in the last 10 years?

should we say yes as we applied for spouse visa last month? or no again?

For the first one, it's a NO, because you have not made an application to REMAIN in the UK - you applied for a visa to ENTER the UK.

For the second one, it's a YES, because you have been refused a visa for the UK.

Just make sure you don't rush into this second application though - you don't want to risk another refusal because you were in a rush.

Don't submit the online application until you have all your documents, you have checked and double-checked (even triple-checked) that you have EVERYTHING and that every single document meets the requirements exactly.

Take your time making sure you have read all the guidance and know all the requirements and are completely ready to mail everything to Sheffield before you submit the online application.

Feel free to post a list of all your documents here in the forum and we can make sure you're not missing anything. Also, if you can keep all your questions and information about your application and circumstances in just the one thread, that makes it easier to help you :).


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2017, 01:15:24 PM »
ksand24,
will do! You have been unbelievably helpful and knowledgeable since I registered here. To everyone, I can see as i read your replies on other threads too. Heartfelt thanks, indeed!

in SPOUSE/PARTNER section of the form, do I have to put my wife's information or mine? I am the british citizen sponsor.


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2017, 01:22:59 PM »
ksand24,
will do! You have been unbelievably helpful and knowledgeable since I registered here. To everyone, I can see as i read your replies on other threads too. Heartfelt thanks, indeed!

No problem :).

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in SPOUSE/PARTNER section of the form, do I have to put my wife's information or mine? I am the british citizen sponsor.

You put your information where it asks for the sponsor's information.

However, when it asks about parents, it means the US applicant's parents... apparently it's worded as if they want the sponsor's parents' details. They want the applicant's parents' details to make sure they aren't already entitled to UK citizenship by descent.


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2017, 01:34:37 PM »
Thansk again, got it now.. I know my troubles are never-ending. but  my lawyer answered the question if I held any other nationality, he chose no as an answer . however , I do! incredible..total shambles! what he caused us:(

do i have to now choose NO again in order not to cause any discrepancy?


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2017, 01:37:47 PM »
Thansk again, got it now.. I know my troubles are never-ending. but  my lawyer answered the question if I held any other nationality, he chose no as an answer . however , I do! incredible..total shambles! what he caused us:(

do i have to now choose NO again in order not to cause any discrepancy?

No. Answer truthfully. If you like you can explain that your lawyer made an error which you did not notice.


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2017, 01:39:54 PM »
will do that. How can someone disregard my second nationality in a sensitive form like this! and send straight away before confirming with me.:(

thank you all once again...


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2017, 01:39:59 PM »
Thansk again, got it now.. I know my troubles are never-ending. but  my lawyer answered the question if I held any other nationality, he chose no as an answer . however , I do! incredible..total shambles! what he caused us:(

do i have to now choose NO again in order not to cause any discrepancy?

And yet another reason not to use a lawyer :P.

No, you must be honest - as larrabee said, tick YES and you can always explain the previous mistake.

You also need to include all passports you have ever held, including expired passports and passports from other countries.


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2017, 01:42:58 PM »
will do that. How can someone disregard my second nationality in a sensitive form like this! and send straight away before confirming with me.:(

thank you all once again...

Yes, that was bad. At the very least they should have given you a chance to make any corrections.


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2017, 01:52:28 PM »
whoever reading this thread and thinking of using lawyer service, avoid. please avoid....
thanks everyone once again! you are great!


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2017, 02:29:34 PM »
I just answered this question as YES:

Have you been refused a visa for any country including the UK in the last 10 years? YES
Please Enter Details      
SETTLEMENT   06 Dec 2017   LETTER FROM EMPLOYER WAS MISSING IN APPLICATION

Have you been refused entry to the UK in the last 10 years
(for example at a UK airport or seaport)? FOR THIS QUESTION I SAID NO. hope all is correct now.. Could you please confirm?


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Re: Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2017, 11:14:45 AM »
Hi!
I am going thru my documents last time before I send them to Sheffield. Coudl you please help and advise if sth is missing or incorrect?

MY WIFE's documents:
Her short letter of introduction about our relationship and marriage
Marriage certificate
Copy of her passport bio page and all previous visas to European countries
Copy of her old passport
Since she is unemployed, no financial documents related to her

MY documents:
Letter from my employer
All stamped payslips
Letter from their accountant (explaining the human error they made on payslips by choosing "paid bycheque rather than paid by banktransfer")
All my bank statements to this day
My letter of introduction regarding our relationship
All my uitilty bills including council tax statements
my rental agreement as I rent a "house" since 2010.the same house
All our flight tickets for the last two years
All our online communication evidences(screenshots of skype video calls/wahtsapp messages/viber messages)
Around 100 photos from engagement party to our holidays.

Appendix 2
Cover letter to ECO. I pasted here the wording. please do read and comment.

thank you so much!

COVER LETTER:
Dear Sir/Madam,
 
Please find attached the refusal letter that I received from you dated 06 Dec 2017 with regards to my application for entry clearance made on 10th November 2017. Due to his hectic working life, my husband decided to use a lawyer service but unfortunately they were extremely incompetent and did not even include necessarry documentation required by you. It was our fault as well to over-trust them and not check the dossier before they sent to you. This time, we gathered all documentation ourselves and reapplied.

I respect the ECO’s decision and understand that a necessary document was not included in my application, which was a letter from my employer confirming the details of my position. I fully understand that this was one of the necessary evidence expected from us to provide along with other supporting documents. We have now added this document to our application.

Additionally, you have pointed out in the refusal letter that in my husband’s payslips and bank statements the payment method of his salary was not matching up. As a result, this led you to think that genuine information and evidence was not provided with regards to his income. To clarify this ambiguity, we asked his employer to issue us with a letter of employment, confirming the genuine employment of my husband. Their accountant has also provided us with a letter admitting the “human error” which they had made in his payslips. They have assured us, as stated in their letter too, that future payslips will now reflect the correct payment method.

We have now included in our application;

1) letter of employment from his employer, which clearly states;
•   his employment and gross annual salary;
•   the length of his employment;
•   the period over which he have been or was paid the level of salary relied upon in the application;
•   the type of employment (permanent, fixed-term contract or agency

2) letter from his employer’s accountants, giving full explanation of the “human error” in his payslips pertaining to “payment method”.

In the light of these considerations, kindly consider my application once again for entry clearance to the UK on the basis of my family life with my partner XX.

Yours faithfully,



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Urgent Question about Appendix 2-returned docs
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2017, 11:43:36 AM »
I’m on my phone so can’t reply fully at the moment, but if your wife is the applicant, you cannot send only copies of her passports, you must send her actual passports... especially as the visa needs to be put inside her passport. They will automatically refuse the visa if her passport is not included.

So she needs to include:
- actual passport
- all actual previous passports
- a passport photo of her

And you need to include:
- a copy of the bio page of your UK passport
- a sponsor letter of support stating how you meet each requirement of the visa.

For the accommodation you need:
- your rental agreement
- a letter from your landlord giving her permission to live there

You do not need to include:
- any utility bills or council tax statements

You also do not need:
- 100 photos... only send 2 photos at most
- ALL your communication messages.. you only need a selection... maybe 5-10 pages at most covering the entire relationship. DO NOT include any actual message or email content, only a list of dates/times/subject lines, maybe a couple of messages/calls/emails per month


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